renzi with madam merkel and my relationship with mr. schobel is very good. we wrote an article together. so we're exactly on the same line. there is no disagreement. >> no disagreement on the notion of flexibility because he does not want to have more flexibility or stability in growth pack. >> there is full agreement that the way to boost growth in europe is through structural reforms. . >> we are delivering on structural reforms in italy and my purpose as chair of the european presidency for this semester is to help all countries to find incentives and pressure to reform. we all need to have a reform agenda. >> so, you see, julia, delivery is key. >> what he had to say was about the italian reform efforts. >> i think they're very ambitious. i, like you, am waiting for results. the same goes for the eurozone, needs to speak up, needs to become a lot stronger and i think the italian presidency has th that. >> do you think the italians enough pressure for reform? >> no. but if you look at unemployment figures, that will tell you a story. a lot of work needs t